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Behind the Music: Fire Cash Talks Vibes 2, Therapy, and Personal Growth

Jessica Hurt and Carmen Sheree Season 1 Episode 7

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The moment Fire Cash stepped into the Girl Please studio, we knew we were in for something special. This wasn't just another artist promotion—it was a rare glimpse into the mind of a musician on the cusp of transformation.

Fresh off the release of his album Vibes 2, Fire Cash breaks down his musical journey from rapper to R&B artist, revealing how this pivot dramatically expanded his fanbase and streaming numbers. "Everything just multiplied once I really switched over and started making R&B my primary," he shares, while still promising fans that his rap skills haven't disappeared. The album itself is a summer-ready collection spanning multiple vibes—from sensual slow jams to energetic Afrobeats featuring collaborators from Ghana.

What truly sets this conversation apart is Fire Cash's vulnerability about his plans to pursue therapy before his next album. Inspired by Kendrick Lamar's raw honesty on Mr. Morale & The Big Steppers, he confesses, "I don't really think I've done enough as far as being vulnerable and telling my story." This moment of self-awareness reveals an artist eager to evolve beyond catchy hooks to more meaningful storytelling.

Throughout our discussion, fascinating contradictions emerge: a performer comfortable commanding stages yet self-conscious in personal interactions; a discerning observer who notices everything yet struggles with emotional expression; an artist who turned down major label deals to protect his creative freedom yet understands the business value of accessibility. Perhaps most telling was his admission about habitually using his hair as a "mask" in photos and on album covers—a physical manifestation of emotional guardedness he's now ready to shed.

Whether you're a longtime fan or discovering Fire Cash for the first time, this episode offers an authentic look at artistic growth, the courage it takes to pursue personal development, and the exciting possibilities that emerge when creativity meets vulnerability. Stream Vibes 2 now on all platforms and follow @FIYACA$H on social media to join him on this evolving journey.


• Fire Cash explains how switching from rap to R&B multiplied his fanbase and streaming numbers
• Planning to pursue therapy before his next album to tap into deeper vulnerability and storytelling
• Turned down major label deals to maintain creative control despite financial opportunities
• Describes using his hair as a "mask" and being self-conscious despite stage confidence
• Opens up about past relationship experiences and attempts at polygamy
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Speaker 1:

Welcome to Girl Please, where we dive into real conversations, real laughs and real life. Just a quick note the views and opinions expressed on this show are our own and don't represent anyone else's. We keep it fun, open and honest, so let's get into it. This is Girl Please.

Speaker 3:

Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back. This is another episode. I am your host Jessica, and I'm your host Carmen, and this is Girl. Please, the podcast.

Speaker 4:

I swear I'm breaking bad. Oh yeah, best believe you gon' come for red. Oh yeah, yeah, just to let you know you can't take my soul, but you did it to me. I swear I'm breaking bad.

Speaker 1:

All right, y'all, we're going to get right into the wind down, but first let us introduce our guest. This is Mr Fire Cash. Would you like to introduce yourself With the goals? Okay, thank you so much for coming and spending time with us. We're going to kind of get into it Some personal things, along with your music, of course, because you just dropped an album That'll be Vibes 2. Vibes 2, which is super dope.

Speaker 4:

How do you say that Vibes?

Speaker 1:

2. Vibes 2. All right, let's start with the wine down Today we have a roscato. He doesn't drink, so we're going to respect that, but Jess and I are going to keep sipping.

Speaker 3:

As we always do, To the rim baby.

Speaker 1:

To the rim baby.

Speaker 3:

I can't wait to get me a shirt.

Speaker 1:

You need to trademark that. Okay, so your water that you had. If you don't mind still toasting with us, we would love that. Yes, we can still do that. So this is a red wine. It looks like roscato, which is, I think it means, red Moscato. Looks like it has some fizz to it, so, and it's sweet, baby what would you baby get you? Some. What would you like to toast to what's on your mind?

Speaker 2:

lately toast to life and this new album man okay cause there's always a vibe here,

Speaker 1:

much success, good vibes. Alright, I like that.

Speaker 3:

I know you like that, I like that you like that normally. Alright, let's see I like that.

Speaker 1:

You like that? No, I'm playing. All right, let's see. So we want to talk first about your new album. It just dropped, I think, what about two weeks ago? May 9th, may 9th, all right. So what is the vibes on the Vibes 2 album like?

Speaker 2:

It's summery thing for real, it's just a little bit of every type of vibe. Something for the summer, something for the ladies, something for the late night, something for the fellas. A vibe too. It's just a vibe.

Speaker 1:

Afro beats as well.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, a little bit of that too. I got my homies in Ghana on there. I saw the videos. I love that. They going crazy with that one.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, international views is amazing. Yes sir, yes sir.

Speaker 2:

Amazing. They really rocking with it.

Speaker 3:

I appreciate it. I'm here doing that, so how did you get in contact with them?

Speaker 2:

Through my manager. He out there right now. So that's like a we actually on the same label too.

Speaker 3:

They just signed with us, so yeah, it's going to good music for me. They got a couple other songs. That's dope.

Speaker 4:

They got a few Real Patty and ADL.

Speaker 2:

Music is their name. Check them out they dope, super dope.

Speaker 1:

What was the inspiration behind this new album? What made you take such a turn to think your album has several different sounds. What made you want to do that instead of stick to one particular sound?

Speaker 2:

that's me for real, like I'm just all over the place as a person, like in my head, like I do like 50 different types of music. So you know it ain't no need to hold it back. I figure might as well just give them everything.

Speaker 1:

So I like that pretty much. Yeah, so super authentic to who you are, yeah, basically all right, that's dope, it really is.

Speaker 3:

so, um, I know on you visit and came as a guest for man listen and you talked about um, okay, well, can I get a hello? Hello, all right, um, and you talked about who your favorite artist was, and that was Kanye West, is that?

Speaker 2:

still your boy. I'm going to be real, like right now. I'm going to be honest.

Speaker 5:

I don't listen to him as much as I did back then, but as an inspiration.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, he's still one of the top to me for sure, but I listen to a lot of stuff though.

Speaker 3:

I feel that because, honestly, people probably going to railroad me for this, don't drag them out. R Kelly. You know what I'm saying. He did a lot. I'm not saying what he did was right. However, the nigga is a musical genius and we cannot take that from him.

Speaker 1:

We can't take that from him for sure you know what I'm saying. That was a soundtrack to many days when I was young. Huh, give me that honey love.

Speaker 3:

Huh, who giving it up? All right, bye.

Speaker 2:

But you ain't tripping for sure.

Speaker 1:

I think he's such a genius and I do think that he is misunderstood. I think he struggles with mental health. Some I think he struggles with mental health and, um, some people just don't have a good way of expressing that. Um, I still think Kanye is amazing. I think, I think he's troubled and I I feel bad for him in a way.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think there's people who think he's so untouchable that they just can't maybe have the conversation like hey, I think you need help you know, because if he were to get help or some type of therapy, maybe he would channel that energy into something healthier and something amazing, like he did before, because he's definitely capable. So I wonder where the path is going to go with Kanye.

Speaker 2:

Therapy would definitely probably be a good option for him, for sure.

Speaker 1:

Have you been?

Speaker 2:

in therapy before, nah, but I'm definitely going to take therapy before I do my next album, for sure okay yeah, for sure. Like I got to, it's a part of the.

Speaker 3:

It's gonna be a part of the process, for sure, so yeah therapy is necessary, it's life-changing, it really is because I noticed that you took a break from your last release, so how much of a length of time was that?

Speaker 2:

Three years. My last drop was Valentine's Day 2022. Okay, like last album, I dropped songs in between them, but my last full project was 2022.

Speaker 3:

And your Heartbreak Kid. That was Heartbreak Kid right Two. Yeah, Heartbreak Kid two, and that was what you performed when you was in South Hill, Because that was dope.

Speaker 2:

Some of it, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

It was like a mix between the first one and the second one. That was dope. That was dope. Speaking of that performance, let me talk about an awkward moment.

Speaker 3:

I just want to make sense of this for you right now. Okay, it's crazy, because I was reading those messages earlier today.

Speaker 1:

I was gonna read, so we went to your showcase in south hill. I was super excited to come support. I'm very socially awkward if I'm put on the spot me too so and plus, like I've met, you know celebrities and you know I do feel I don't know awkward or something. So, like when Jess was like do you want to take a picture? I was like no. I was like no, that wasn't personal.

Speaker 1:

That was just like well, what do I do when I take the picture? Well, why am I taking the picture? Is he supposed to? I was just overthinking it so I was just like, hey, nice to meet you. So it wasn't personal, I'm just socially awkward sometimes. But yeah, the show was amazing. It definitely put me on to your music. I was super impressed by your voice. Sounds beautiful. I don't know if beautiful is the right word.

Speaker 3:

It is.

Speaker 1:

It sounds amazing. So I just wanted to give you your props and also clear that up, so you didn't think I was a stuck-up bitch, nah you know what's crazy is?

Speaker 2:

you told me that one time before I did.

Speaker 1:

I think a lot of times we've seen each other yeah, okay, good, I'm just making sure you understand I ain't taking it that way. Okay, I'm very awkward sometimes.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I love the vocal ability that you have, honestly rapping, to doing this R&B genre like it's really dope for real, mm-hmm, like, because you in between you like that Chris Brown in between you know what I'm saying, so I, like that, appreciate that. How do you feel that has been for you, like as far as the views, and are you getting more viewers with your r&b versus your Rapping? But I will tell you like I just want to get your flowers while you hear, like either way you go you know?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think I think people be sleeping on me as a rapper now too, because I'm saying so. Look out for some rapping coming soon, for a little bit too, but I don't know, it's definitely been a lot better like fan wise, views wise, follower wise everything just multiplied once I really switched over and started. I don't know, it's definitely been a lot better like fan-wise views-wise, follower-wise Everything just multiplied once I really switched over and started making R&B like my primary. You know what I'm saying. So, yeah, it's been crazy.

Speaker 1:

I like your music because it kind of takes me back to like 90s music. It has a vibe for me. That's what I grew up on. Yeah, you can definitely hear that influence in your music and that that's what made me gravitate towards it and love it because, um, I mean, I was born in 84, so 90s music is so, um, you know it, just that's the sound that I grew up on, that's the sound that influenced me and I love music so much that, um, your just naturally, you know, worked for me.

Speaker 3:

Right.

Speaker 1:

So I love the vibes that you have I appreciate that yeah.

Speaker 3:

So what was your out of this album that you've been doing? Vibes 2? Vibes 2.

Speaker 1:

Vibes, 2.

Speaker 3:

Huh, okay we're going to keep on doing that.

Speaker 1:

Do you like that?

Speaker 3:

I know you like that, you like that. Okay, but for real, which song did you have the most fun creating? I?

Speaker 2:

don't know. That's a tough question, shit. What do you think, mj?

Speaker 3:

Man in the fold. What do you think, mj? I'm with that Chosen, huh.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, chosen, chosen, chosen.

Speaker 5:

Yeah, Joe texted the group chat the other day. Nigga Joe said that's his wake-up answer. He told me that too, I'm telling you that's on rock.

Speaker 3:

That's on rock for real, that's on group chat.

Speaker 2:

He was like that's my wake-up answer. I don't know, though, he I'm going to shoot the video and everything for you. Honestly, probably right now, though if I got to be honest, if I really think about it, Might be right now. Okay, that's probably the most fun song on there too, for real. Okay, the Afrobeats man yeah chosen nigga.

Speaker 4:

You ain't got no motion. Yeah, we gonna keep on. We gonna keep on rolling, flying, floating. Yeah, I feel like I'm chosen if it's not in depth, you just scratching the surface.

Speaker 1:

Was there a song that you were nervous about releasing because it was vulnerable, or that it was something that was different than what your viewers were used to? Nah, not for real.

Speaker 2:

I think by now people should expect me to be all over the place. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4:

But as far as vulnerable, I don't think I got there yet.

Speaker 2:

I don't really think I've done enough. You know what I'm saying. But as far as vulnerable, I don't think I got there yet. I don't really think I've done enough. You know what I'm saying. As far as being vulnerable and telling my story, or really telling my feelings, that's what I'm going to therapy for.

Speaker 3:

I was about to say, maybe once that therapy opened up for you, you're going to start, you know? Being more vulnerable.

Speaker 1:

It can definitely give you the tools in, like how to communicate, how you feel and make you reflect when it comes to the certain things you've been through and how it affects you and also how you're going to be moving forward Right.

Speaker 3:

I know writer's block is a thing, so did you experience that in the three years that you was like your downtime?

Speaker 2:

Nah, because I don't write.

Speaker 3:

True. I've been trying to True that is true.

Speaker 2:

I've been trying to teach myself how to write again. I don't write, so I never have songs prepared to get in the studio and record. I just make it right on the spot.

Speaker 3:

But it was times where I couldn't make music, though, because it would be life going on.

Speaker 2:

I know people want to hear me talk about the stuff I talk about, but I'll be feeling you know what I'm saying, whatever I'm feeling, and I ain't really in the mood to make a song for women right now.

Speaker 3:

You know what I'm saying. How many songs do you have in the tub? Would you say A?

Speaker 2:

lot.

Speaker 3:

Because I was privileged enough to be able to go to the studio and see how you cook up. You know, what I'm saying. So that was. You know, I love the steps that you took to do that. You know, you listening to beats, you listening to them. Listening to them, I don't rock with it. I rock with it. Okay, I feel this beat telling me something. Then I make the song off the beat. So I like that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I don't know, man, it's a lot. We got a lot for sure.

Speaker 4:

If I had to put a number on it probably like that people ain't heard. Maybe like a hundred something maybe.

Speaker 1:

Okay. So if you don't write the music, what is your process? Because your music is, it seems so authentic to who it seems that you are. You know you sing it as if you did write it honestly. So how do you get all of that to align if you're not the one that's writing it?

Speaker 2:

So it depends on how I'm feeling with that too. Like some days I can, some days I'll listen to a beat. I might just do a melody, you know what I'm saying Like a lot of humming, a lot of you know know, just trying to find the flow or whatever I'm gonna say. Then I'll go back and put the words on it and then some days I'll just go right in, like I might have five, six lines before I need to, you know. So we just piece it together. You know what I'm saying okay yeah.

Speaker 3:

Are you taking a lot of your life experiences to make these songs or are you thinking about in the future what you want to do, like? Probably a little bit of both, okay, yeah a lot of it is probably a lot of it is life experience though, yeah, a lot of it dope, dope. Yeah, like I said, I ain't really got into it yet like that's what the therapy gonna help with.

Speaker 2:

That's gonna help me really um be able to express, you know what I'm saying, the stuff I want to say I feel like it's about that time, you know, I feel like it's about that time. It's about that time for me to really tell my story.

Speaker 3:

Can I say this on camera About that Time need to be one of your songs.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's probably one of the songs on the album.

Speaker 3:

yeah, that's the name of one of the songs.

Speaker 2:

Nah, nah, I'm saying that there might need to be one. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1:

So what made you? What was the thing, the catalyst that made you feel like you know, I think I need to go to therapy. And then you also. It seems like you connected it to knowing that going to therapy would be beneficial for your music and expression. Was there a certain thing that happened, or did you just have certain thoughts over time that made you feel like you should go to therapy?

Speaker 2:

For real people have been telling me, of course, like over the years, you know, of course females and stuff, telling me I probably should go to therapy. Oh, but I made a decision for real in like 2022. When Mr Morales and the Big Stumpers came out. It was a Kendrick album and I was like you know what I'm saying? I probably should when Mr Morales and the Big. Steppers came out. It was a Kendrick album and I was like you know what I'm saying. I probably should do it, you feel?

Speaker 2:

me he just said so much in the album and I'm like, damn, how do you get to that point to be able to express that much? You know what I'm saying To be able to tap into that, but still make dope-ass music at the same time? I feel like I got the dope music part down back. It's too easy. I can do that. I can make a thousand songs if I really just sat there and did it.

Speaker 2:

You know what I'm saying, but I feel like I really need to talk about something. So, yeah, it's, it's just time for real. You know what I'm saying. I'm getting older, I got kids. You know what I'm saying. Uh, speaking on your kids.

Speaker 3:

Your kids are very talented, thank you, very, very talented. How do you feed into their talent at this age? Because you know that what you feed your kids will make will make them grow. So are you really?

Speaker 2:

pushing them artistic stuff they are very talented yeah. I just support them, I just what I mean get them what they need and just support them.

Speaker 4:

And tell them they're doing good a lot because I feel like that's real important to hear like that, you're doing a good job.

Speaker 2:

You know what I'm saying. On all levels, though, from a child, all the way through life. You know what I'm saying Like that's real important so, yeah, so, so, yeah.

Speaker 1:

so, being that you find that important, is that your love language? Yeah, because we talk about love languages on almost every episode and it always tells you a lot about a person words of affirmation would that be your primary? Do you think there's another?

Speaker 2:

as far as, like, I don't know I'm real touchy too. Like, I like, I touch a lot.

Speaker 3:

Oh, you like physical touch?

Speaker 1:

Physical touch? Okay For sure. Why y'all laughing at him? He's being vulnerable. Leave him alone, let us cook over here. I mean we talking about like we're females, I mean we listening to Vaz too.

Speaker 3:

He talking about touching on somebody.

Speaker 1:

Leave him alone.

Speaker 5:

Leave him alone and it's crazy because I just be catching myself doing it, though you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2:

Like I be like damn, like I'm really sitting, you know what I'm saying. This nigga's stupid Nah, but yeah, that's probably one of them for sure.

Speaker 3:

Okay. So what have you learned from yourself through other people Like what have I? I mean? I know they told you that you needed to possibly seek therapy. Why are these people saying these?

Speaker 2:

things probably. What's the pattern?

Speaker 1:

yeah, what's the pattern? Let's talk about it I don't know.

Speaker 2:

I seem like I don't take stuff serious a lot because I smile and laugh a lot. I do, though, I take a lot of shit serious.

Speaker 3:

I just joke a lot, like you know, like so if you having a serious conversation with your girl, you don't get bothered like please don't stress me out.

Speaker 1:

So she's like I really need more of your time or I need this or that.

Speaker 2:

You laugh hell, nah, like that's an easy conversation to have. I'm saying it was like an awkward conversation, like if it's something Like you don't want to talk about At the moment.

Speaker 1:

Like right now we're making you laugh yeah.

Speaker 3:

I swear to.

Speaker 2:

God, oh boy, hell, yeah, you know that's the reason why I grew my hair bro, like to try to hide my face and shit.

Speaker 1:

You know what I saw. I have noticed that that you cover your face a lot, and you know what I thought I was like.

Speaker 2:

I wonder if that is a defense mechanism for him, if you go back and look at my album covers up until this point, every picture I got my head.

Speaker 3:

Why is that I?

Speaker 2:

don't know, I just feel like a mask.

Speaker 1:

Why do you feel like you need a mask? Oh, there it is again. Awkward, awkward, uncomfortable, I don't know.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I just feel uncomfortable, I just feel like I'm getting looked at.

Speaker 1:

Okay, I don't know. Yeah, I just be uncomfortable, like, I just feel like I'm getting looked at, you know. Okay, so judgment is a thing for you, or acceptance, nah, cause I don't really care what people think like I really don't give a damn.

Speaker 2:

I laugh at myself like.

Speaker 5:

I can joke, it's just an internal thing. Yeah, yeah, like it's more.

Speaker 2:

I'm real self conscious, like people wouldn't believe that, but like hell yeah.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I wouldn't believe that Not seeing you on stage, health conscious, how?

Speaker 2:

though, but that's like my comfort zone. Being on stage, yeah that's when I get to. You know what I mean. But I still ain't got to the point where I can express openly there yet neither do I. I hold myself back a lot because of my, you know.

Speaker 3:

So to give yourself, so you get a Grammy. You know how is that going to look for you it.

Speaker 4:

You know, how is that?

Speaker 3:

going to look for you.

Speaker 4:

He's going to look like this Like what's the speech going to be like?

Speaker 3:

Are you going to feel awkward if you're put on the spot to do that?

Speaker 1:

You said, if you mean when?

Speaker 3:

When, when? Definitely when, because it's coming. Okay, for sure, let them come.

Speaker 2:

The speech is going to be easy, though, because it's going to be short. I'm a thank God, I gotta get in and get out if I say thank everybody, I can't miss nobody.

Speaker 1:

You feel me that's true, though you know what I'm saying so do you think, then, when it comes to the mention of therapy, and then with you saying that your hair is like a mask, do you think that what needs to be discussed is vulnerability? Do you think that?

Speaker 2:

that is what it is. Yeah, that's one of the main things.

Speaker 3:

Okay, for sure, I feel like your next album should be Vulnerability. Look at that.

Speaker 2:

I got the title for it already. Huh, I don't know if I want to say it Working on something.

Speaker 1:

Don't say it right now Don't say it, no, you keep that in the tuck.

Speaker 3:

I should have kept that in the tuck.

Speaker 2:

Vulnerability could be a song, it's going to be under a major when we drop the next album.

Speaker 1:

Okay, well, let's talk about that. Yeah, do you choose to be an independent artist or are you waiting for the right label to come along? Yeah, waiting for the right, I mean it depends, though.

Speaker 2:

If we can get the independent thing really rolling and being lucrative, because you know being independent is way more expensive than having a machine behind you and supporting your dream. But it depends. If the right situation comes, then yeah, I'm going to take it. I'm not against signing with a major Okay, not at all.

Speaker 1:

So you have been approached previously, haven't you?

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Okay, Somewhat yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1:

So what made you not go with those situations? So what?

Speaker 2:

made you not go with those situations the big one, the one that I really not regretted, but the one that was really like I was almost, you know it was like creative freedom, like creative control.

Speaker 5:

Okay, that was like the least thing that I was going to get out of everything Okay.

Speaker 2:

It was so many like perks and shit, but that was the one thing that I really want to have. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3:

Because, as an artist artist you got to think about the stuff that they want you to do, like they want you to do all types of crazy stuff.

Speaker 2:

They want you wearing dresses, all types of stuff, like if I was a new artist you know, I mean it would make uh, you know I'm saying a little more sense to do some shit like that just do whatever they're about to say.

Speaker 3:

You're gonna wear a dress, but to do some shit, Just do whatever they ask you to do.

Speaker 2:

I was about to say you gonna wear a dress? Yeah, but nah, hell, no, no, no, no, no I'm just making sure, If I was a new artist, if I hadn't put so much time into this shit it would be easier for me to just you in your tracks with what you're already doing.

Speaker 3:

It's like uh-uh.

Speaker 5:

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Speaker 3:

So how the music industry is now. How do you feel about it? Because so many different things are going on the the pd situation. Um, just a lot of things are going on and it's just like what, how do you get there, like, do you get to? Like you get so much money, you feel like you're untouchable, like how do you get there when? When do you lose empathy for other people? Or how do you?

Speaker 5:

remain humble.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you're that guy in that mode like playing basketball.

Speaker 4:

Yeah you're that guy. I got 39.

Speaker 2:

I think it go back to the same thing, as I said, with the creative control, though I've just been doing it for so long, I feel like I used to think I wanted a deal so long ago when I was younger, but I probably wasn't ready as a person. You know what I mean. So it probably would have been those type of traits.

Speaker 3:

you know what I mean would have been those type of traits, you know I mean if I would have had that type of emotion going right, exactly.

Speaker 2:

So yeah, like I feel like I was just able to grow as a person, you know, over time, even though I still I feel like I got a long way to go, but I've grown to the point where you know that that type of just don't it don't phase you right so what?

Speaker 3:

what would I? What do you think would have happened had you had the opportunity, at 18, 19, to sign with somebody?

Speaker 2:

I probably would have fucked it up by now. I mean just because, like I said, as a person I wasn't ready Music-wise, you know, but as a person, hell, no, hell, no, yeah, I would have Spend it With that perspective though Not even just money-wise, like just discipline. You know what I mean Deadlines.

Speaker 1:

You know Work, actually working. Yeah, I think people think, when it comes to music, all you got to do is go in there and have fun and you know, do shows and sit in the studio with your friends and stuff like that. And you know, from what I understand, it's a lot of work. It's definitely a lot of work.

Speaker 3:

You got to think about, like Chris Browns and Beyonce's, like I know, they putting more than it's 24 hours in a day. It seems like they put more than 24 hours in in a day to make sure that their craft is how they want it to be.

Speaker 2:

Plus their team too Right.

Speaker 1:

That's what separates them from other people, though. Yeah, but that perspective that you have on knowing that you may have fucked it up and you needed to grow as a person, that's what's going to help you a lot when it comes to you going to therapy. That means that you already know how to reflect back, and your perspective is everything when it comes to therapy. It was definitely life-changing for me. I'm thankful for it, because I wouldn't I wouldn't be myself now mentally if I didn't do that. I would have been a bitter, hateful, you know, sad person probably, but luckily I saw it as taking control of the rest of my life. To have, you know, to have gone through therapy. I know it was a catalyst to me being more peaceful and living a happier life mentally. So kudos to you for just being open to doing that and knowing that it's time. I'm excited about it for real. That's awesome.

Speaker 3:

That's really awesome, yeah we love that Because the thing is, most people try to tell you when you should go to therapy, but it's all for you. So when you're ready, that's when you're going to get the most benefit out of it. When you sit right there and you try to do it because somebody's telling you to, it's like I don't really want to do it, I'm just doing it to please you, to appease you, but when you're doing it for yourself, that's when it means so much more.

Speaker 2:

I had zero interest at first. I was like therapy?

Speaker 5:

hell, no, yeah, I look like now.

Speaker 2:

It's like I can't wait to do it because I can imagine I can just see me, you know what I mean on the other side, like coming out of it, Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:

How crazy it would be. It's a I don't know. I'm going to send you a message. How's it going?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I don't know I'm trying to figure it out. I definitely don't want to do it like locally or nothing, I want to go somewhere where somebody that doesn't know me and just somewhere I don't live, and just you know.

Speaker 1:

It's really good to do it in person too. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, energy is very telling, I got a lot to yeah.

Speaker 3:

I want to get back on this album really quick, though. What are you well who, when you're getting the reviews on your album? What are they saying? More Like? What songs are they saying I like this so much more. I like this, I like this. What you getting feedback?

Speaker 2:

on. Right now the favorites are like All Right, with Me Chosen Grinding. Right Now it's a lot Like. If you look on the Apple Music, it's like six or seven stars beside.

Speaker 3:

Let me tell you something. I'm one of the people. I'm one of the people. When I like something, I'm going to listen to it ten times a day.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, same.

Speaker 3:

I'm telling you so you're going to get 10 views out of me every day. I know On at least four, five, six of your songs.

Speaker 2:

The other day was my first time listening to something else besides it. I've been playing that shit every day since it dropped.

Speaker 3:

I know I just listened to something new the other day and I was like, hey, that one dope too. I'm like dang. I can't even tell them what I think is dope, because all of it is dope, the album period is dope. The album is overall dope for real, and I like the comic theme of it. What made you go that route?

Speaker 2:

That shit was. How did that happen, amj? You remember how? The comic, how did I come up with the comic book Thing for the album? It was something that sparked the idea.

Speaker 1:

Sparked literally.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it was definitely smoking too, but it was something that was like I believe it was the intro. I made the intro and then I was like, damn, it would be dope if I just themed this whole shit Like a superhero movie, comic book type shit it was a dope concept.

Speaker 3:

Because you did it. I would love to have that on my shirt.

Speaker 2:

So yeah, we need some merch. You feel what I'm saying, mj, get us in there, get us coming soon. You know I'm saying coming soon. Definitely we're gonna make that happen.

Speaker 3:

So we're gonna move this conversation a little bit um more and we're gonna talk about uh, what should we talk about?

Speaker 1:

first, red flags yeah, so we have um. Well, first I wanted to bring up something that I heard you mention on the last podcast, um with the fellas. You said something about polygamy, and that is a hot topic. People have very strong opinions about that. I have have one too, I'm sure Jess does, but I want to know specifically, because you didn't really get into it. So the whole purpose of you being here with the ladies is to get into it. So I want to know what is your stance on polygamy? Is this something you venture to do, something you're currently doing? You know something you've done before? Tell us all about it.

Speaker 2:

It's definitely something I've tried. Okay yeah, wasn't successful.

Speaker 1:

Why not?

Speaker 2:

Attitudes.

Speaker 3:

Okay, you can't deal with too many women at one time. Nah, it was like them together.

Speaker 1:

It was the women.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, like them clashing, them clashing rather than you, because you happy in this.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm usually pretty chill for real, like because you happy in this.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I'm sure I'm usually pretty chill for real, like it take a lot to really get me, you know, to that next element. Yeah, it take a lot. So yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm interested in polygamy.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so there's polygamy, which means you have multiple wives, but then there's, like throuples you know, that's what they call them three people, two women and a man, or whatever the situation is. So why do you lean towards wanting to do that and not being monogamous?

Speaker 2:

I'm, you want to know something, and I'm not judging. I like them both, though, okay I'm not against being monogamous at all. Neither like it's not a. It's not a. Uh, I don't have to I don't have to have it one way or the other okay, I'm cool. Either way, I can settle for one woman like I ain't that crazy settle not. I can settle for one woman.

Speaker 5:

I'm allowed to he said I'm allowed to use that word right?

Speaker 2:

You got to watch your words right now. Am I allowed to use that word?

Speaker 1:

Settle.

Speaker 2:

for me, settle means that so what's a better word for that? Or?

Speaker 1:

it depends on what your intention of the word is. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3:

If settle is what you mean, that's what you mean.

Speaker 2:

I can choose to be with one woman if I want to yeah, mind your business, ralph.

Speaker 1:

You back to come on down. You over there with the headphones. Sir, drink your wine.

Speaker 2:

I could be happy with one woman.

Speaker 3:

Still drink it Still.

Speaker 2:

Now I could be happy with one woman if I chose to, for sure.

Speaker 1:

So in that situation, was it that you were not happy with one woman, or that was just a time in your life where you wanted to try more than one woman?

Speaker 2:

That situation was kind of crazy.

Speaker 3:

It kind of just came together for real, like so you was with one of them, and then another one came in can you talk about this? Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2:

I was yeah, so I had one and I was cool with the other one and she brought the other one. She brought the one up one day and I'm like, hmm, she told me how it was kind of cool, cool how like they were getting cool, like they was about to start getting real cool.

Speaker 2:

You feel me? Oh yeah, so I'm like shit. Y'all might as well you know what I'm saying we all might as well be cool. You know what I'm, you know what I'm saying? We all might as well be cool you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1:

You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. It's a three-way. Yeah, like so okay.

Speaker 4:

It was easy.

Speaker 1:

So was it just about sex and intimacy, or was it about relationship with three people?

Speaker 2:

I'm going to be real with you.

Speaker 3:

It was just about sex.

Speaker 2:

I would never make either one of them my girlfriend.

Speaker 1:

All right, Y'all heard that right. Don't try to double back now.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm being real with you. That was strictly what it was for. You're cracking up over there.

Speaker 3:

I'm coming back to the camera, because I had to turn. I did too. I would never.

Speaker 2:

And it's just because you know what I mean. I seen stuff, know stuff like hell no.

Speaker 3:

So basically it was Because wouldn't that make you not want to trust a person, though?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I got away with certain stuff. Like, believe me, it would make you not want to trust a person?

Speaker 3:

I would think so.

Speaker 2:

I got certain stuff off in those situations, so it's like you feel me Hell. No, never.

Speaker 1:

So is that the only situation you've had? That is, I mean, we can't even call that polygamy, we need to just call that a long threesome.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that was more than just a threesome. Yeah, okay, I've had more than one threesome. That's what you're asking. No, I'm not asking that.

Speaker 1:

I'm just asking if I won't get too deep in your business. I'm more so asking like that particular situation that didn't work out To me it sounds like it was more so around the sexual part of it, as opposed to three people coming together and trying to be in a relationship that works. Most definitely Okay, I agree, okay. So do you feel like an actual polygamist situation can work, where there's two people who are agreeable and it's not so much? What I've seen is it's not so much about sex, it's more about partnership and like the three people working together For sure.

Speaker 2:

At that point in my life, though, I wasn't really, you know, looking for a relationship in general.

Speaker 1:

OK, yeah, for sure oh yeah, that would be dope. I can see how it work. I mean it's not for me, but like sometimes, I wish I had another person in my house doing stuff.

Speaker 3:

Okay, can I get a maid? We talked about this on another episode.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like you can definitely clean and fold laundry Like damn. I got other shit to do the laundry.

Speaker 3:

Huh, do something. I guess that's a Show ass. Up and do something.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's what I would have been telling the third person Get your ass up, See you don't need to be in a polygons Because you think you her boss.

Speaker 4:

Get your ass up and do something you think she.

Speaker 2:

Get your ass and do something that could be a good situation if everybody is on the same page if everybody got the same goal.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I see how it can work for people. I don't feel that I could do that because I don't personally want to share my partner or myself for that matter with another person, but I'm pretty open-minded.

Speaker 2:

I feel like it could work for people yeah, that's not something that I'll be honest with you, though that's not something that I could see myself doing like, so it's not ideal for you, but you're not against it either right like I'm not, uh, I ain't chasing it or that's not something that I really, because I'm gonna be honest with you, sometimes one woman emotionally is enough.

Speaker 2:

You feel me so once it. You got that coming at you from both ways, and I mean me right now as a person. It's pre-therapy me, maybe post-therapy me. You know what I mean. I might handle four. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1:

Oh my.

Speaker 2:

But right now, no, Mentally I can't even do it. You feel me?

Speaker 1:

Like mentally, I can't even do it. You feel me Like mentally, I can't even do it. It's a lot Like especially if you are truly a good partner who is in tune with the person you're with. I can't imagine being able to have the capacity emotionally to truly be who you need to be for another person.

Speaker 2:

That's a lot. My emotional capacity is very limited already anyway.

Speaker 5:

Well that's good that you know that yeah.

Speaker 2:

I hate that, though I mean well you have.

Speaker 3:

Your emotional capacity is limited for other people.

Speaker 2:

Why? I mean when you grow up like I grew up, you kind of be numb after a while. You know what I mean. So I've been around a lot, I grew up around a lot. I've seen a lot.

Speaker 1:

Well, sometimes, when you put out so much and you haven't had the opportunity to work through all of that and make sense of it and see how it's affected you and made you how you are, you oftentimes don't have the capacity to pour into another person. It's like I'm just giving myself drops you know I'm barely surviving.

Speaker 4:

I'll be trying after the fact I'd be like damn, you know.

Speaker 2:

I mean, I could have handled it better, I should have did more. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1:

But I think it's really healthy to be honest with yourself, like sometimes you know as much as people want to be in a relationship. You know, I think it's important to be the best version of yourself, or at least try to attempt to get there. That's when the best relationships happen, is when you're the best version of yourself, because, man, you can really damage people along the way and then that affects you. You know that affects you later on, like dang, you know I did this person so bad or I wasn't good to this person. You know, yeah, I agree. Yeah, there's guilt that comes with that.

Speaker 3:

So I want to go into red flags. Oh boy, I want you to tell me what's one of your red flags that you see in females and a red flag that a female might have addressed for you.

Speaker 4:

You made your bed so late in it. No need to pretend with it. You know just what you want, so go on and have your fun, not going to entertain with it. You know just what you want, so gone and have your fun, not gonna entertain with it. I know it's a shame, ain't it? You want your cake and eat it too. The best thing I did was leave you, I don't know, um, maybe off the top like just sneakiness, like I'm real, I know this.

Speaker 2:

Everything, unfortunately like, but that's just like I said. That's a part.

Speaker 3:

I had a guy like that right so okay, don't piss me off I don't question everything.

Speaker 2:

you feel me I can notice something and shut the hell up about it, but if it's something that needs to be spoken on, but I'm not the type that's going to stress myself either, if I feel like.

Speaker 5:

I can't trust somebody.

Speaker 2:

I'm not going to rock with them like that. So just like sneakiness is probably one. For sure, like I notice patterns, I notice when stuff changes.

Speaker 1:

You have that gift of discernment.

Speaker 3:

But you know that's good though, because patterns do tell you the truth for real.

Speaker 1:

Don't get rid of that, honestly.

Speaker 3:

No, no, keep that, that's a good thing, even in therapy, when they're talking to you about certain stuff. Some of that stuff. You need to keep that.

Speaker 1:

Don't lose yourself because you're trying to you know, yeah, you can only adjust to people so much before you're not yourself anymore. You know, and discernment, and noticing everything, you said it like it was a bad thing.

Speaker 2:

Sometimes it is, though.

Speaker 1:

It is because sometimes you are it was for me and mine You're functioning out of trauma.

Speaker 3:

Stop bringing up shit that don't matter. Get your ass on. You look at the person like what?

Speaker 1:

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3:

Exactly like. Did you really dig that up Like?

Speaker 1:

please, yeah, or how did you twist that into that Younger?

Speaker 2:

me, I would speak on everything I noticed.

Speaker 5:

Now I just like but that affect me too.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but that'll have me sitting there like I don't even want to talk to your ass. That's also not good. Yeah, exactly Because you push it down and in the back of your head you're like, mm.

Speaker 2:

yeah, I don't fucking treat you like that, but I'm like that with everything, though, like you know, that's what I'm going to therapy for.

Speaker 3:

That's good it's going to help.

Speaker 2:

I love it. I love to hear it. What's the red flag that?

Speaker 3:

other females Nonchalant. Yeah, like I don't care.

Speaker 4:

Nigga don't be nonchalant.

Speaker 3:

You don't even care you don't give a damn.

Speaker 2:

I be laughing. If there's a nigga in here trying to fight, type shit, I be laughing, before I fuck him up Be honest.

Speaker 1:

Okay, so vulnerability is definitely the what's the word, the theme here.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's going to be my cheat code. That's what's gonna take me to like the next level in life in general yeah I promise you that's gonna change your pace.

Speaker 1:

It's hard though everything it's hard, though, because when you've seen a lot and witnessed other people or even yourself, you know, when it comes to um, negative experiences, vulnerability is so hard because it's like you, you know all of these things are possible, or people are capable of all these things, and vulnerability is like you have to set that to the side and trust that they're not going to be that thing, that you know that they can be Right, and I think that that's for me, that's what's so hard about. Vulnerability is like I've already learned all of these things, like I'm, I'm, I'm two steps ahead of you, right, it's just about to point out a flaw in your ass.

Speaker 2:

DMX is like trust people for who they are.

Speaker 3:

It's like if you know a person is a thief.

Speaker 2:

Trust them to be a thief. If you know they're a liar, you trust them to be a liar. His documentary was really powerful. I'm not even going to lie Whose documentary DMX.

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, his videos and all the stuff that he went through and who he became and how he was like prolific with, how he spoke to people, like it was, it was very passionate. I love that about him.

Speaker 1:

I'm not even gonna lie, but vulnerability can be a gift and a curse. It's so hard to be vulnerable once you're especially if you're a person with discernment and empathetic because you do seem that way, you know like you really take things in Um, it can be so hard to be. I'm being serious, guys, I'm trying my best, but you did not see what's happening. Thank you, just look at it.

Speaker 3:

Just look at Okay, forget the point I was making y'all, because no, look at the sun. It can be hard to be vulnerable.

Speaker 1:

for sure, it's hard to be vulnerable. Look at the sun.

Speaker 2:

That's hilarious, he's funny. That is stressing me the fuck out.

Speaker 1:

All right, that's funny. Well, fuck what I was trying to say. So, lastly, we would like to play a game. Yes, I got two questions for you. Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 3:

You go first. So with this game, we're going to throw out a word and we want you to think of a song that you think of when you hit a word.

Speaker 2:

My song or just a song?

Speaker 1:

Any song the first thing that pops in your mind, but you have to sing it or rap it.

Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

See you doing it again. The first word is love love you gotta put your hair in front of you.

Speaker 2:

You can damn love is a hard one.

Speaker 1:

Cause that oh, he doing it too um me too.

Speaker 2:

I don't know. Love supposed to be quick alright, uh, me too.

Speaker 1:

I don't know, love Supposed to be quick.

Speaker 2:

All right Love. I think the Kendrick Lamar song.

Speaker 1:

I can't hear you singing it. I ain't want to be with you.

Speaker 2:

All right, you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, all right. Next word is soul.

Speaker 2:

Soul Soul, first song that pops in your head. Alright, next word is soul, soul Soul.

Speaker 1:

First song that pops in your head.

Speaker 3:

You ain't got nothing new you snatching nobody's soul on vibes too. Huh, you ain't snatching no souls on vibes too.

Speaker 2:

That ain't really my terminology.

Speaker 4:

You know what I'm saying? I don't know.

Speaker 1:

Soul. I mean that can be In a lot of things though.

Speaker 2:

Oh nah, you know what I got it.

Speaker 1:

What you got.

Speaker 2:

Break my soul, beyonce, you gotta sing it.

Speaker 1:

Okay, sing it, you won't break my soul. You won't break my soul.

Speaker 2:

Shout out to my sister Casualty man Shout out, she got a Grammy for that.

Speaker 3:

Right there, man period alright, and we got vibes.

Speaker 2:

I would love for you to you know alright, vibes, I think in the morning, but I won't be here when you wake up in the morning in the morning.

Speaker 5:

I know it hey fuck it with it.

Speaker 4:

It's that wine, it's the wine, baby, that red wine. Turn around baby.

Speaker 2:

That red wine, do it all the time.

Speaker 1:

And one more word, friend. Okay, what it is? You got it, cheat. No, it's two more words.

Speaker 2:

Cheat Damn, that's a tough one. Nah, she said cheat. That don't really make me think about cheat.

Speaker 3:

It wasn't me. There we go me think about cheating. It wasn't me. There we go. It wasn't me, it wasn't me. Yeah, that's it. It wasn't me, it wasn't me.

Speaker 2:

It was not me.

Speaker 3:

So I want you cheating. So we know that it wasn't you cheating. It wasn't me All right, that's one more word Um.

Speaker 1:

All right, alright, so the last word was freak. That's a tough one too she has a very premature bladder freak damn freak. I'm the worst person on top of my head you're really not, because I listened to your album and there's plenty of that, so I feel like you could sing that.

Speaker 2:

Don't be shy now uh, oh yeah, all right, I won't lie the way you do it. You're gonna start a fight on me. There we go, I love it. I love it featuring uh barry lavelle yeahVelle.

Speaker 1:

Alright, so the last two things I want to ask you. I wish Jess was here. She had to dip out real quick. Alright, so the last two things I want to ask you. This is kind of a silly question, but it'll probably stump you, so you have to pick one. If you could add two inches to your height but it would take two inches from down below, or you add two inches down below and take two inches off your height, which one would you pick If?

Speaker 2:

I had to pick one.

Speaker 1:

You have to pick one, two inches. Yeah, you got it right.

Speaker 2:

I mean I could take two inches off down below and still be good. So be a little taller. I guess I could take two inches off down below and still be good.

Speaker 1:

So be a little taller, I guess, I guess All right. Speaking of, you mentioned earlier off camera something about OnlyFans. Why don't you talk to us about that?

Speaker 2:

No, I tried it. It didn't really work. Too much work.

Speaker 1:

What do you mean? Too much work it wasn't too much.

Speaker 2:

Too much work, what?

Speaker 1:

do you mean too much work?

Speaker 2:

It wasn't too much, too much, what? Like, like, um, like I made my account and everything but like if you wanted to do videos with somebody else, they had to do, they had to have an account and everything too. So like I already had the videos ready, okay. But you know, I I ain't had another person with an account and everything. It was too much work.

Speaker 1:

Okay, you plan on revisiting that.

Speaker 2:

Nah, I'm good.

Speaker 1:

Okay, the last question I have for you respect. And I got this again. I got this from the Drinks Champs. I listen to them religiously, so I want to know if you could pick one respect or loyalty, and why. It's a pretty debated topic. It could go either way.

Speaker 2:

I'll take loyalty though, because you could not respect me, but out of your loyalty for me you might keep it real you know, what I'm saying. But if you respect me but you're not loyal to me, you might be like you know that's my dog, but I got to get him. You know what I'm saying. So, yeah, give me loyalty, Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1:

So can you tell us we're going to wrap it up and we really, really appreciate you coming. We are rooting for you. We are 10 toes behind you. Please keep us posted about any shows. We have something cooking as well that we would like to talk to you about off camera, but if you can tell us where to find you, tell our viewers where they can find you find your music or any other content that you'd have you'd like to talk about.

Speaker 2:

You can find me everywhere at Firecash.

Speaker 1:

Look at the camera.

Speaker 2:

Middle camera.

Speaker 1:

There you go. That's you, that's you, that's me.

Speaker 2:

You can find me everywhere. Firecash, f-i-y-a-c-a-s-h On all the streaming platforms. F-i-y-a-c-a. Dollar sign H Don't forget the dollar sign, because if you type in an S, they might not bring it up. Everywhere though and more to come soon we're going to be airwaves too.

Speaker 3:

Don't forget the dollar sign. Okay, that's my camera. Don't forget the dollar sign.

Speaker 1:

Thank you for your time it was a vibe.

Speaker 3:

Vibes 2 is out. Vibes 2, stop playing with them the jump is definitely a vibe and I fucks with it. She fucks with it.

Speaker 1:

Yes, front to back, he fucks with it. Make sure y'all don't get that shit. Everybody fucking with it.

Speaker 3:

So let's go. We gonna toast and clear this up. I know you got a water bottle. We'll put it up, all right.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4:

It's Joe Frost.